Cayin N511S

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jazzbass12
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Cayin N511S

Post by jazzbass12 » Thu May 30, 2019 6:28 pm

On my Cayin N511S I have a few quastions:

I am playing a 24/96 track - while the track plays it is displaying 32/96. Is that normal?

Audio Hardware Tab - I have selected "follow source Frequency". When looking at "Frequency" below it says 44100. Does my selection of "follow source frequency" override that?

I am selecting "64 Bit Processing" - under Audio Harware tab it shows Bits 64 (out 32in). is there advatage to using 64 bits? looks like the Cayin in 32 bits if I am reading this properly.


Any optimal settings suggestions I could be using for the Cayin N511s?

Thanks

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Re: Cayin N511S

Post by blaubär » Thu May 30, 2019 7:37 pm

jazzbass12 wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 6:28 pm
I am playing a 24/96 track - while the track plays it is displaying 32/96. Is that normal?
Do you have enabled Settings > Audio Hardware > 32-bit Output ?
jazzbass12 wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 6:28 pm
Audio Hardware Tab - I have selected "follow source Frequency". When looking at "Frequency" below it says 44100. Does my selection of "follow source frequency" override that?
When you open the frequency option all available frequencies are shown. As I understand it, follow source frequency should choose the sampling rate of the track, if it exists in this list. So if you play an 96 kHz track and have follow source frequency enabled I would guess that 96 kHz isn't available. Or is it ? Can you manually choose it ?
jazzbass12 wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 6:28 pm
I am selecting "64 Bit Processing" - under Audio Harware tab it shows Bits 64 (out 32in). is there advatage to using 64 bits? looks like the Cayin in 32 bits if I am reading this properly.
I rather doubt that anyone could hear a difference.

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Re: Cayin N511S

Post by jazzbass12 » Thu May 30, 2019 8:44 pm

Thanks :

I am playing a 24/96 track - while the track plays it is displaying 32/96. Is that normal?
Do you have enabled Settings > Audio Hardware > 32-bit Output ?
I don’t have 32-bit option under Settings>Audio Harware> 32 bit output
Just odd because I have 64 bit selected yet it shows 32. Must be device limitation.

When you open the frequency option all available frequencies are shown. As I understand it, follow source frequency should choose the sampling rate of the track, if it exists in this list. So if you play an 96 kHz track and have follow source frequency enabled I would guess that 96 kHz isn't available. Or is it ? Can you manually choose it ?

That makes sense..I chose Follow Source and it is.

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Re: Cayin N511S

Post by blaubär » Fri May 31, 2019 6:21 am

jazzbass12 wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 8:44 pm
Just odd because I have 64 bit selected yet it shows 32. Must be device limitation.
If you have chosen 64 bit they should be shown. That is, If you look at the right places.
jazzbass12 wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 8:44 pm
That makes sense..I chose Follow Source and it is.
There could be other reasons for that. E.g. if you use bluetooth headphones with SBC.


There are three ways to see frequency and bit-depth :
one at the top of the audio hardware and two below the scrollbar on the playing now screen.
Could you provide screenshots ?

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You switch between them with the 3-dot-button on the right side of the song display
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Re: Cayin N511S

Post by blaubär » Fri May 31, 2019 6:28 am

jazzbass12 wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 8:44 pm
I don’t have 32-bit option under Settings>Audio Harware> 32 bit output
Everybody should have that checkbox "32-bit Output (IEEE 754), below "Generic Driver" and above "Low Latency".
It's just a checkbox, you can select it or not select it, there's no further contents.

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Re: Cayin N511S

Post by jazzbass12 » Fri May 31, 2019 9:33 pm

Thanks Again,
Here is screen of my Audio Harware...Also when I scroll thru it, there are no setings for generic driver or 32 bit. It looks like it is in 64 but the device internal is 32. I am wondering if this was tweaked for my Cayin device. Ive looked everywhere.
When I click on the 3 dots of play view it toggles between the in and out bit rate on the play screen, not a seperate box.
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Re: Cayin N511S

Post by blaubär » Sat Jun 01, 2019 4:21 am

jazzbass12 wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 9:33 pm
Here is screen of my Audio Harware...Also when I scroll thru it, there are no setings for generic driver or 32 bit.
On most android devices you've got a choice between "audiotrack" and "opensl", the first is the "generic" one.
Here it says it uses "smartaudio" driver. That's the way it is implemented on your device.
Probably a good choice :-)
jazzbass12 wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 9:33 pm
It looks like it is in 64 but the device internal is 32.
The screenshots tell us :
- you have enabled 64 bit
- you play a file in losless flac format withe a sampling rate of 96 kHz and a bit-depth of 24 bit
- neutron delivers a sampling rate of 96 kHz and a bit depth of 32 bit to the DAC

The "highly accurate 64-bit processing" is used inside neutron when the sound is processed.
It has to be reduced to 24 or 32 bit when the data are transferred to the DAC.
That's normal, doesn't work otherwise.
By the way : that's the reason that you use "dithering", to mitigate some unwelcome consequences of this necessary transformation.
jazzbass12 wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 9:33 pm
I am wondering if this was tweaked for my Cayin device. Ive looked everywhere.
No need to worry, it couldn't look better.
As far as I can tell, you are successfully reproducing high-resolution-audio.
jazzbass12 wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 9:33 pm
When I click on the 3 dots of play view it toggles between the in and out bit rate on the play screen, not a seperate box.
Yes, that's the way it's supposed to work.

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Re: Cayin N511S

Post by jazzbass12 » Sat Jun 01, 2019 5:44 pm

Thanks for your response...... now I can resume my life... lol

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Re: Cayin N511S

Post by jazzbass12 » Sat Jun 01, 2019 5:50 pm

Thanks for the great replies. Now I can resume my life again, lol.

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